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	<title>Comments on: Follow-Up to SEO Pricing: Evolution of Pricing Models for Services</title>
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		<title>By: jonpayne</title>
		<link>http://leadgenseo.com/2008/10/09/follow-up-to-seo-pricing/#comment-173</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dean - I would have to agree with you here, I think perhaps I should not have used the word &quot;better&quot;.  My intention there was to say that there is a situation in which each pricing model is appropriate.  For instance, for a project where the SEO has little input or effect on pricing, site layout, marketing strategy, business expenses etc. I think an hourly fee probably makes more sense.  Not fair to evaluate them entirely on profit if they don&#039;t control the costs!  Each has its place, but certainly I think there is an evolution through one&#039;s career where they start to view things more holistically than in their early days :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dean &#8211; I would have to agree with you here, I think perhaps I should not have used the word &#8220;better&#8221;.  My intention there was to say that there is a situation in which each pricing model is appropriate.  For instance, for a project where the SEO has little input or effect on pricing, site layout, marketing strategy, business expenses etc. I think an hourly fee probably makes more sense.  Not fair to evaluate them entirely on profit if they don&#8217;t control the costs!  Each has its place, but certainly I think there is an evolution through one&#8217;s career where they start to view things more holistically than in their early days <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://leadgenseo.com/2008/10/09/follow-up-to-seo-pricing/#comment-169</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and none is better than the other&quot;

I think from the business standpoint, each level is better than the other. When tasks are completed on an hourly basis or maybe a flat-project rate, the seo does not have motivation for getting the best results and can just sign-off on the project after a certain point, and wash their hands clean of it. So the more a professional seo is vested into a project, the better the results, albeit more expensive of a service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and none is better than the other&#8221;</p>
<p>I think from the business standpoint, each level is better than the other. When tasks are completed on an hourly basis or maybe a flat-project rate, the seo does not have motivation for getting the best results and can just sign-off on the project after a certain point, and wash their hands clean of it. So the more a professional seo is vested into a project, the better the results, albeit more expensive of a service.</p>
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		<title>By: jonpayne</title>
		<link>http://leadgenseo.com/2008/10/09/follow-up-to-seo-pricing/#comment-168</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ryan &amp; @Monty - just because someone charges by the hour doesn&#039;t mean they are cheap.  SEOmoz used to charge $1,000 per hour back when they still did consulting.  My services are much cheaper in comparison, yet we charge a monthly retainer (sort of like by-the project but a bit further to the right on this scale IMO).  My argument here is not for the price or cost, but rather how the pricing is structured and how its tied to the objectives that the business is seeking.

@George - yeah we find the more you learn the more you find industry-specific vertical sites that are good sources for links and for networking / promoting your site or service in that area. That takes time.  We include this as part of our monthly fee, so no we don&#039;t not bill this out separately. For me, this is essential to providing a good service.  I would feel as though I were robbing my clients if I didn&#039;t take a little time to educate myself on their industry in general, particularly popular websites, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &amp; @Monty &#8211; just because someone charges by the hour doesn&#8217;t mean they are cheap.  SEOmoz used to charge $1,000 per hour back when they still did consulting.  My services are much cheaper in comparison, yet we charge a monthly retainer (sort of like by-the project but a bit further to the right on this scale IMO).  My argument here is not for the price or cost, but rather how the pricing is structured and how its tied to the objectives that the business is seeking.</p>
<p>@George &#8211; yeah we find the more you learn the more you find industry-specific vertical sites that are good sources for links and for networking / promoting your site or service in that area. That takes time.  We include this as part of our monthly fee, so no we don&#8217;t not bill this out separately. For me, this is essential to providing a good service.  I would feel as though I were robbing my clients if I didn&#8217;t take a little time to educate myself on their industry in general, particularly popular websites, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: George Murphy</title>
		<link>http://leadgenseo.com/2008/10/09/follow-up-to-seo-pricing/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The hardest thing about SEO for our clients - for me - is really learning the client’s industry and the details of their company.&quot;

I agree. By taking the time, you&#039;ll not only better understand everything that the client offers and how to leverage it, but also understand better who their target audience is. But do you bill this out as &quot;independent research&quot; or do you itemize it at all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The hardest thing about SEO for our clients &#8211; for me &#8211; is really learning the client’s industry and the details of their company.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. By taking the time, you&#8217;ll not only better understand everything that the client offers and how to leverage it, but also understand better who their target audience is. But do you bill this out as &#8220;independent research&#8221; or do you itemize it at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty's Mega Marketing</title>
		<link>http://leadgenseo.com/2008/10/09/follow-up-to-seo-pricing/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monty's Mega Marketing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice post, Jon (again).  I&#039;m probably starting out at the low end of the spectrum, but I&#039;m OK with that as a starting point...for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Jon (again).  I&#8217;m probably starting out at the low end of the spectrum, but I&#8217;m OK with that as a starting point&#8230;for now.</p>
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